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Dreams and Reality.
After a nice break of sleep and no headache!! woot xD figured it was time for a post. Havent said much to address the community for a little while now so perhaps its time.
Theres no doubt in my mind today that the mmo scene is struggling. In fact its my belief that not only is this divide making it difficult for us to progress, in one direction or the other, but that its also undoing much of the hardwork that we've achieved over the many months now that we've managed to stick together.
You may have noticed lately that soul and I have had a few 'extreme' discussions. Sometimes its nice to do this - helps me gain a focus on what really matters and highlights the differences that make us what we are.
Lately I've been thinking about the past, not in a negative way but in a way where I've been trying to re-grasp the focus of days gone by. I've started to realise that with the exception of soul, who was always sharing in my ambition, that the majority of you have been somewhat dragged along into my fiasco against your own will.
Ofcourse most of you have reasons for staying attached to our group. Yet im starting to wonder if our mindsets conflict too greatly. I have a very focused objective, one of which you've probably realised by now that soul shares too. For the rest of you however im still not sure whether remaining affiliated to this core is what you really want for yourselves.
I could see you in any legion/guild anytime anywhere. Dont get me wrong, I've come to enjoy your company very much. Our drives are very different however and our differences of opinion on progress, drive, ambition and gameplay styles will probably come back to bite us later on. The core group cannot have division and I suppose that was something I over looked in favour of friendship.
When we divided the legion back on aion in the first place, I knew that behind the tones of 'doing what was right' and 'fair for those who should expect value for money' there was the unavoidable truth that community had not been enough. Although understandable it showed that we had failed to grasp the lessons taught to us overtime, those demonstrated by many of my peers.
I realised that to achieve the end goal, to rival the others a half hearted attempt would not be enough. So I encouraged you to move on. Soul once told me that without my imput the dream wouldnt suceed. Perhaps! but still the point of requiring a core on the same page remains.
Recently we've all been looking at different games. Some together some alone. If any of you do manage to find a stable home, in another legion or guild I emplore you to grab the opportunity and leave everyone else behind. Its hard to explain but in general terms I know that most of you search only for fun in games and its not fair to deny you that. Others amongst us are far beyond that basic standard its those who should build a core, not those who have a far more simple outlook.
Im probably not explaining it very well - such is the limitation of one persons ability to put meaning into words. Yet I think you know the differences between us. Far from me saying here 'its not about fun' what Iam saying is 'sometimes as the core of something sucessful, you must turn aside fun temporarily and sacrifice it before success.' that is something I now realise that I have no reason to ask for from those without the same perspective.
As I've said right now, there is a lack of focus. A major component of moving foward to any sort of success. So to a fashion the situation is more to blame than anything else. Its clear at the same time however that at some point we will become divided as a result of so many things and without a stronger unity the whole group will not endure.
I've no doubt that myself and soul will eventually be sucessful in our endevours - we're stubborn like that haha. Truth is though at the moment that there are plenty or legions already in running that can offer you more in games atm. They will however expect loyalty and commitment and the truth is that will require much time on vent and other things with them. In terms that you'll understand - you become an aeru
So yeah, keep as you are until a suitable option arises. Your fortunate enough to have a attitude that will allow you to evolve and move forward in whatever group you decide to become involved in. Sadly soul and I got too big for that along time ago lol
I respect you all enough to be honest. Soul says that some have drive and potential to make things work others dont. I totally understand peoples lack of enthusiasm for a 'theory' in progress but without the strength of many of similar mind - nothing can come of it.
Reflect on what ive said, but before you comment on my perhaps 'harsh' opinion - remember that someone has to step up and say something and if not me, then who?
Theres no doubt in my mind today that the mmo scene is struggling. In fact its my belief that not only is this divide making it difficult for us to progress, in one direction or the other, but that its also undoing much of the hardwork that we've achieved over the many months now that we've managed to stick together.
You may have noticed lately that soul and I have had a few 'extreme' discussions. Sometimes its nice to do this - helps me gain a focus on what really matters and highlights the differences that make us what we are.
Lately I've been thinking about the past, not in a negative way but in a way where I've been trying to re-grasp the focus of days gone by. I've started to realise that with the exception of soul, who was always sharing in my ambition, that the majority of you have been somewhat dragged along into my fiasco against your own will.
Ofcourse most of you have reasons for staying attached to our group. Yet im starting to wonder if our mindsets conflict too greatly. I have a very focused objective, one of which you've probably realised by now that soul shares too. For the rest of you however im still not sure whether remaining affiliated to this core is what you really want for yourselves.
I could see you in any legion/guild anytime anywhere. Dont get me wrong, I've come to enjoy your company very much. Our drives are very different however and our differences of opinion on progress, drive, ambition and gameplay styles will probably come back to bite us later on. The core group cannot have division and I suppose that was something I over looked in favour of friendship.
When we divided the legion back on aion in the first place, I knew that behind the tones of 'doing what was right' and 'fair for those who should expect value for money' there was the unavoidable truth that community had not been enough. Although understandable it showed that we had failed to grasp the lessons taught to us overtime, those demonstrated by many of my peers.
I realised that to achieve the end goal, to rival the others a half hearted attempt would not be enough. So I encouraged you to move on. Soul once told me that without my imput the dream wouldnt suceed. Perhaps! but still the point of requiring a core on the same page remains.
Recently we've all been looking at different games. Some together some alone. If any of you do manage to find a stable home, in another legion or guild I emplore you to grab the opportunity and leave everyone else behind. Its hard to explain but in general terms I know that most of you search only for fun in games and its not fair to deny you that. Others amongst us are far beyond that basic standard its those who should build a core, not those who have a far more simple outlook.
Im probably not explaining it very well - such is the limitation of one persons ability to put meaning into words. Yet I think you know the differences between us. Far from me saying here 'its not about fun' what Iam saying is 'sometimes as the core of something sucessful, you must turn aside fun temporarily and sacrifice it before success.' that is something I now realise that I have no reason to ask for from those without the same perspective.
As I've said right now, there is a lack of focus. A major component of moving foward to any sort of success. So to a fashion the situation is more to blame than anything else. Its clear at the same time however that at some point we will become divided as a result of so many things and without a stronger unity the whole group will not endure.
I've no doubt that myself and soul will eventually be sucessful in our endevours - we're stubborn like that haha. Truth is though at the moment that there are plenty or legions already in running that can offer you more in games atm. They will however expect loyalty and commitment and the truth is that will require much time on vent and other things with them. In terms that you'll understand - you become an aeru
So yeah, keep as you are until a suitable option arises. Your fortunate enough to have a attitude that will allow you to evolve and move forward in whatever group you decide to become involved in. Sadly soul and I got too big for that along time ago lol
I respect you all enough to be honest. Soul says that some have drive and potential to make things work others dont. I totally understand peoples lack of enthusiasm for a 'theory' in progress but without the strength of many of similar mind - nothing can come of it.
Reflect on what ive said, but before you comment on my perhaps 'harsh' opinion - remember that someone has to step up and say something and if not me, then who?
Re: Dreams and Reality.
that the majority of you have been somewhat dragged along into my fiasco against your own will.
not at all - since the end of Aion (1st time round, lol) myself and I believe everyone else have frequently talked about how we were going to stick together to form a new guild / legion at whatever point, in whatever game and have been looking forward to doing so.
Yet im starting to wonder if our mindsets conflict too greatly.
as far as I was aware, the only conflict of mindsets is that some have a preference for PvP, others for PvE. As I said above, for a long time now we have been talking about how we want to continue into the future etc.
The core group cannot have division....
again, I didn't think there was any division beyond in-game content preference. as for maintaining similar lvls in a game for example, there will always be a difference in available play time between people in the core.
When we divided the legion back on aion in the first place, I knew that behind the tones of 'doing what was right' and 'fair for those who should expect value for money' there was the unavoidable truth that community had not been enough.
in that instance, no it was not enough but as we all know Perento and Asmo was a pretty sucky combo back then, so we didn't exactly have a chance to skim the cream of the crop. I'm not saying that community is necessarily enough, just that there were extenuating circumstances that compounded the situation in Aion (original go)
I realised that to achieve the end goal, to rival the others a half hearted attempt would not be enough
you are right but it was not (at least initially) a lack of effort that was the problem. think of what sad panda could have become if the specifics of Aion had enabled us to maintain the original drive and desire we had to grow and succeed.
Perhaps! but still the point of requiring a core on the same page remains.
I thought we were...
Others amongst us are far beyond that basic standard its those who should build a core, not those who have a far more simple outlook.
fun and success are not mutually exclusive. besides that, what happened to everyone having a different skill to bring to the table? it was never an issue before that a preference for in-game content or a difference of general gaming outlook had any direct bearing on a persons willingness and / or ability to perform within and for the guild / legion. we discussed it and agreed that it was a good thing that we had most if not all primary bases covered - craft, pvp, pve, instances, etc etc.
I totally understand peoples lack of enthusiasm for a 'theory' in progress but without the strength of many of similar mind - nothing can come of it.
I can't speak for everyone, but I have suffered no lack of enthusiasm for doing what we have always talked about. as you say, the lack of a common MMO atm isn't great but that has not impacted my desire to create a guild / legion in the future.
Yeah, this is news to me. Why we are not on the same page I don't know. The last conversation relating to building a legion that I was involved in was touching on the subject of when the best time to recruit would be - now, or later on before a release to avoid ppl floating away. Since then I thought all that had come to light as differences between us was who prefers PvP and who prefers PvE, as all we have rly spoken about (at least when I have been there) is various games, classes and the ranged vs melee debate (or conclusion, rather).
As far as my personal standpoint is concerned, maybe I didn't explain myself as well as I might have liked. Whilst I might not make it my primary mission to climb the ranks / guild ranks, that does not mean I will not even try. My priority in a game is to have fun. Inevitably at least some of that fun (for me) is derived from assisting ppl, and obviously guildies r 1st choice in that department, so whatever someone may want me to do / ask for help in / whatever, I'm gonna do it. The rest of that fun comes from social interaction and progression. I chat to ppl, make friends, etc etc as we all do. I also like to see a decent amount of progression over time - I will never no life a game but just the same I hate not lvling. The fact that I may not be the highest lvl in guild / server / whatever has zero bearing on my desire and drive, just like my preference for a type of content over another. Given that, why is it anything but beneficial for me to be able to recruit new blood through friends made in bits and bobs I play at the moment, be willing to assist within guild probably 80 - 90% of the time (unless in an instance, for example), maintain at least a respectable lvl for my class and "job" in guild, and offer a nice quick and easy way for members to farm gear from bosses / get XP / just learn the basics of working together? I always intended to do those things as I have said many a time, and have had no change in intent at all.
I wonder if you are misconstruing a lack of direction as a lack of drive (as I said before, I can only speak for myself but I imagine the same of everybody). Like you said in your post, maybe the lack of a good game is to blame - but only to blame for a lack of starting the ball rolling re: new guild etc, because there is nowhere to start it in game atm, and we thought it was best to not simply recruit to a brand and a forum because ppl may well get bored and leave b4 whatever we end up in is released.
If these things we discussed are no longer enough for you or you have changed your mind about what you want then that is fine, if a little saddening, but then you can not say there is a lack of enthusiasm if the goalposts have moved.
Its not my intention to sound "off" at all, but I am confused as to why you think I (or, I believe, anyone else) has lost enthusiasm or is no longer on the same page, that page being what we have spoken about many a time - creating a new guild / legion that has a good community in an attempt to do well in whatever game it will eventually be.
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Re: Dreams and Reality.
After a brief discussion with sibby - of which you missed sadly bones - things I think are back on the right path.
I needed somebody to say something and sibby did that. So my wall of text was somewhat void thereafter.
Its interesting how you both read what I wrote in different ways Something to learn from.
Thanks all for the replies neway
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I needed somebody to say something and sibby did that. So my wall of text was somewhat void thereafter.
Its interesting how you both read what I wrote in different ways Something to learn from.
Thanks all for the replies neway
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Re: Dreams and Reality.
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Re: Dreams and Reality.
As a mod I rly must say - do not hijack threads with teh sandwiches! All sandwich related media and discussion belongs in the sandwich thread! lol
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